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I don't know what happened with the election, but more and more I feel it likely was stolen. There's too much information to keep up with, but maybe I haven't made time to digest certain things because I'm ashamed at the double standard of the left, so I don't realize there are defendants of Jan 6 kept in horrific conditions, who did nothing more, or much less, than progessives who have occupied public spaces in protests the media has been friendly to.

I could be wrong about Cheney, but I feel she's part of a divisive political theater ...

I would not have otherwise encountered this interview, but, with substack magic of peeking at what's at the top of the too - long list, earlier today Celia Farber spoke so highly of Diana West, whom I've never heard of. I took the time to listen to this. It is sad and humbling to learn more about the depth of these double standards, and the ruined lives along the way.

I've never liked Trump. I no longer believe one word from the media, including anything they've ever said about him. Still, I don't like Trump ... maybe it's all the things he's put his name on, and certainly anyone who tries to take credit for this horrific "vaccine" as if it's a good thing isn't someone I can get behind. But what he's been able to galvanize, has a heart and soul to it (regardless of his integrity or lack of), and is not deserving of the contempt it's given from every direction.

This is the first article of yours that I disagree with, but hope this feedback is OK.

This is the interview and article from Celia - https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/diana-west-america-has-unraveledi?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2

I haven't delved enough into the election to know what happened. It's noteable that the extremely thorough Mathew Crawford of Rounding the Earth seems to think there were serious problems with the election, but he hasn't as far as I know done a decisive article on it.

But they are certainly capable of stealing an election and lying with the same mouthpieces who lied all through covid.

A thought on narcissism, which I was learning a lot about earlier in the pandemic ... it is typical narcissist - especially H.G. Tudor's concept of "lesser narcissist" as Trump may be - behaviour to refuse to loose, to pre-emptively make accusations (like "they're gonna try to steal the election!"), and do absolutely anything to refuse to admit a loss.

So it was natural to assume the challenges to the election were the delusions of a narcissist refusing to admit wrong, plus cult like supporters who believe anything he said. But I think there's a lot more to this, even if the lesser narcissist's dangerous stubbornness and psychology of flying monkeys is true also.

I remember thinking the Lincoln Project were probably decent people, and clever with some of their Trump insults. I thought the film, "Unfit" was very good. Later I was repulsed at how the Lincoln Project ridiculed Ivermectin, in a short video that ended with "because you're not a fucking horse".

I think there is evil far greater than Trump happening, and I don't trust Cheney / the Jan 6 charade, as they want us to think that Trump - and some of the values this country was founded on, are the true enemies, as they take obscene amounts of power, including of the mental terrain. . .

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Maggie Russo's avatar

It's absolutely okay to disagree with my posts! There are different perspectives which are valid, as well as slow understanding of reality as more information becomes available - and that requires civil discourse. Truth can be difficult to identify; it takes time. On the other hand, there are blatant lies and manipulative disinformation which should be called out. On that point, I think we can agree.

IMO: Trump is a liar and conman who was never fit for office, but, like a broken clock, he was right twice a day. After all the attention, judicial challenges, and testimonies of Republican & Democrat state leaders about the election, I do not believe there was any fraud of note in the states concerning the casting or counting of votes. However, lobbyists, the media & technological platforms did unduly try to influence the voters - and that happened in 2016 as well as 2020 (and in many/most/all other elections in recent decades). So yes, although I do not believe most of what the former President claims about the conspiracies to victimize him, there was a concerted effort to influence the elections through psychological manipulation of messaging that crosses the lines between campaigning, reporting, and brainwashing. Trump's #FakeNews is Biden's #Messaging and Bernay's #Propaganda.

Some may see it as nuanced, but my perspective is that we've slid down the slippery slope into a muck that the great newsmen Walter Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow would not recognize.

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